Ulf Sandmark-Hussein Askary på webcast: Avsluta eviga krigen i Syrien och Jemen och återuppbygg med nya Sidenvägen

Det dramatiska beslutet av Trump att dra tillbaka de amerikanska trupperna från Syrien har ändrat hela den strategiska bilden i Sydvästasien. I en LPAC webcast på fredagen den 4 var Hussein Askary och Ulf Sandmark inbjudna att kommentera läget tillsammans med EIR:s Carl Osgood och programmets värd Mathew Ogden. Det blev ett mycket uppskattat program. I programmet visades även videon från 2016 om Syriens återuppbyggnad genom att anslutas till Nya Sidenvägen: "Projekt Fenix: Aleppo den eviga staden".

Här följer länkar samt hela programmet i utskrift på engelska.

The End of Endless War: Rebuilding Syria with The New Silk Road

With the dramatic decision taken by President Trump to withdraw US forces from Syria -- a clear rejection of the neo-con doctrine of perpetual war -- along with the continuing emergence of the New Silk Road dynamic coming out of China, the strategic geometry of the entire Southwest Asian region has changed. We are joined today by a distinguished panel to discuss what must be done to finally end the reign of geopolitics and bring "peace through development" to this region: Hussein Askary (Southwest Asia Coordinator for the Schiller Institute); Ulf Sandmark (Chairman of the Schiller Institute in Sweden); and Carl Osgood (Military Affairs Correspondent for Executive Intelligence Review).

See also: "Project Phoenix: Aleppo The Eternal City" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VBKtx9DZFTo produced in June 2016.

Transcript of the whole program: LaRouche PAC Friday Webcast, January 4, 2019:

The End of Endless War: Rebuilding Syria with The New Silk Road

MATTHEW OGDEN: Good afternoon, it's January 4, 2019. My
name is Matthew Ogden, and you're joining us for our first
broadcast here from larouchepac.com for the New Year.
I'm joined in the studio by Carl Osgood, who is the military
affairs correspondent for {Executive Intelligence Review}
magazine. And Carl and I are also joined via remote video by two
distinguished gentlemen from Sweden: First, we have Hussein
Askary who is the Southwest Asia coordinator for the Schiller
Institute, and we also have Ulf Sandmark, who is the chairman of
the Schiller Institute in Sweden.
All of us are gathered here today to discuss a very
significant development that we've seen in just the last couple
of weeks, which is precipitated by the announcement by President
Donald Trump, here in the United States, that he will be pulling
the U.S. troops out of Syria. This was an announcement that took
nearly everybody by surprise, including the top military brass in
the United States and the leadership of both parties.
But it's a very timely announcement, and this is a very
timely discussion for us to have. As we embark on this new year,
2019, we should reflect on what's happened over the last year.
Schiller Institute President Helga Zepp-LaRouche has delivered a
New Year's message in which she reflected on the progress which
has been achieved over the last 12 months, since she first
announced in the beginning of 2018, that 2018 must be the year
that we end geopolitics once and for all. And if you look at the
developments which have occurred over the course of that year, a
lot has definitely changed in that direction: We've seen the
progress with North Korea, the breakthroughs that have been made
between President Trump and Chairman Kim Jong-un. We see now
these developments in Syria; also the announcements to draw down
the troops in Afghanistan. And we see the interaction of that
dynamic, a President of the United States who has clearly
rejected the neo-con geopolitics of agenda of perpetual war,
interacting with the dynamic which we see coming out of China,
and allied countries, for a new paradigm of massive development
projects, and a philosophy of peace through development. This is
known under the rubric of the Belt and Road Initiative, or, as we
will refer to it today, as the New Silk Road.
So here to discuss with us the interaction of these two,
mutually complementary dynamics -- the peace through development
dynamic coming out of China and Eurasia, and the rejection of
geopolitics coming out of the Trump administration here in the
United States -- we're joined by these three gentlemen: Carl
Osgood, Hussein Askary, and Ulf Sandmark.
First, to get us started, Hussein, let me just invite you to
discuss a little bit about how the interaction between these two
dynamics is shaping the new strategic geometry in this region of
Southwest Asia.

HUSSEIN ASKARY: Thank you very much, Matt, for inviting me
to this show again. Happy New Year to everybody. If you
remember, I was on this show last year, also in January, where we
discussed Mrs. Helga Zepp-LaRouche's announcement that the year
2018 would be the year when British geopolitics would be ended,
and we discussed the prospects in the context of the new report
that we had just published, "Extending the New Silk Road to West
Asia and Africa." That this year could potentially be really the
year that ends geopolitics, the endless wars, and starts the New
Paradigm, which Mrs. Helga Zepp-LaRouche calls it, the New
Paradigm in international relations and in the history of
To borrow from Mr. Lyndon LaRouche's term, which he calls a
"geometry," because the developments in the world, especially in
West Asia, Southwest Asia, which people call the "Middle East,"
wrongly, is shaped by a global geometry. The different actors in
the region, whether in Syria, in Turkey, in Iran or Yemen, or all
these countries, they are not just simply acting like billiard
balls hitting each other and creating effects. But their actions
are shaped by a geometry which is created by the interaction of,
as you said, the Chinese policy of the Belt and Road, which is
reshaping global economics and foreign relations based on
economic developments among sovereign nation-states; you have
Russia intervening, at least since 2015 with its military power
in Syria, to put an end to the regime-change wars, risking,
actually to get into a world war, but that was the price which
was necessary to pay to stop the neo-con policies, the British
geopolitics which started in Iraq, and earlier in Afghanistan in
2001, but also destroyed Libya and then we had the war in Syria.
So, with Russia intervening in Syria in September 2015
changed the geometry. Unfortunately, at the time we had
President Obama in power, and he was adamant on regime-change
policy in Syria and was working with local countries in the
region, such as Saudi Arabia, Qatar, even Turkey, to push the
so-called Islamic jihadist forces into Syria to destroy Syria and
get rid of the government of President Assad. That did not
And finally, we have, with President Trump coming to power
and also because he had already promised the electorate that he
was going to end these regime-change wars and endless wars, which
is a correct decision, and that, actually in direct cooperation
with Russia, helped a lot in Syria already before his decision to
withdraw the forces. Because, if you remember, President Trump
was in Saudi Arabia in April 2016 and he told all the countries
the Gulf Countries and others, and Turkey, that now it's time to
stop financing these so-called Islamic jihadist groups. And that
really happened.
And that, in combination with the fight the Syrian army was
launching, with the Russians, and also some certain discreet
agreements with the U.S. forces in Syria, they managed to get
southern Syria stabilized and forcing the rebel groups who were
with the terrorists to join the Syrian army. So all southern
Syria was liberated from the terrorist groups. Israel was also
forced, in a combination of U.S.-Russian cooperation, to also
stop its operations against Syria, at least on the ground. That
created this whole new situation where Syria is finally becoming
So the interaction between Russia and the United States in
that sense was very, very productive in Syria. But now we see
that, with the President Trump's announcement to withdraw from
Syria and Afghanistan, there's a completely new situation, where
the enemies of Syria yesterday -- the Emirates, Bahrain, and even
Saudi Arabia and others -- are now rushing to for a rapprochement
with Syria, reopening their embassies. Now, Syria might be back
in the Arab League, and so on.
We have a new situation in Afghanistan, where peace talks
are being held on many levels, to get the Taliban to agree to sit
at the negotiation table.
But all these things are happening within the context which
I mentioned, is the China, Russia, and the United States, are
finally cooperating. I think India is also on this side,
contributing to that process. So that is the new geometry,
within which ending these wars is possible, but also opens up for
a completely new era for relations among nations, reconstruction,
economic development on a global scale.
So that's what I think people have to keep in mind, that
there's the larger picture is very, very important to keep in
mind when looking at any specific case, like Syria, Yemen,
Afghanistan, in all these regions.

OGDEN: Carl, I wanted you to just discuss a little bit more
of the details on the announcement of the troop withdrawal.
What's the reaction been to that here in the United States? And
also you've been emphasizing that one of the most important
players in this region is the role of Russia , and that all roads
lead to Moscow on this question.

CARL OSGOOD: Well, first, on the decision, as people
probably know, Trump made the announcement on Dec. 19, but this
came after a phone call he had with the Turkish President Erdogan
on Dec. 14. And it's being portrayed as if he suddenly, on the
spur of the moment, decided, "let's get the troops out." But as
Hussein already mentioned, Trump has been talking about this
since 2016, and in March 2018, he actually told a rally -- I
think it was in Ohio or Pennsylvania -- that the troops were
coming out -- and the whole national security establishment came
down on him like a ton of bricks, the permanent war party,
But when he had that phone call with Erdogan, it seems to me
that he suddenly saw an opening, that, suddenly, -- to use the
metaphor of the planets aligning, they suddenly aligned, in the
way he said that he saw he could actually make the decision and
force it through. And I think that's what actually happened on
that phone call.
And of course, the national security establishment is trying
to come down on him like a ton of bricks, as they had before.
But Mattis resigned, Brett McGurk resigned -- these were two of
the proponents, McGurk especially, because he was originally
appointed by Obama to be the envoy for the anti-ISIS coalition.
So he was actually the architect of the policy of bringing troops
in, and the State Department, into eastern Syria, and set up
separate administrative bodies to build up the [Kurdish] YPG as a
proxy army for this campaign.
Because if you actually look at what happened since 2014,
when Obama started the bombing campaign in Syria, there was a lot
more going on than just an attack on ISIS. It was done, first of
all, without the permission of the Syrian government, because the
official U.S. policy was to overthrow the Syrian government; that
was evident from as early as 2011 when Qaddafi was killed, and
then you had all these weapons flowing -- and {EIR} was pointing
this out at that time -- suddenly all these weapons started
flowing from Libya to Syria; many of them were going through
Turkey, a lot of them were being taken out of Benghazi on Qatari
cargo planes, others on small and medium size vessels. This was
identified by the Defense Intelligence Agency, which was then
headed by then Lt. Gen. Michael Flynn; which also identified the
fact that the Syrian opposition was actually al-Qaeda, and groups
of similar ideologies.
So the Obama administration knew what was going on, and yet,
they didn't change the policy, because the policy was to use
these groups for regime-change against Syria. And this is what
the Russian intervention in September of 2015 aimed to stop. And
as Hussein pointed out, that the Russians have actually met most
of the objectives that they have set for themselves when they
went in there in 2015, to stop this. Because otherwise you would
have had in Syria what you've got in Libya, after NATO finished
its work there, which would have been a further spread of
terrorism into the wider region, and this is what the Russians
have stopped.
It was hard work. It was not an easy task. But they knew
what their objectives were and they stuck with it. And they knew
how to, step by step, to get to those objectives. And that, now,
you have basically, since Trump made the announcement, the
geometry on the ground, actually on both sides of the Euphrates
River, has changed tremendous -- just from the announcement! The
U.S. troops haven't really started leaving yet. There was a
report about a week ago that they had closed a warehouse in
Hasakah province, which is in the central part of eastern Syria,
a warehouse that the Turks said was being used to distribute
weapons to the Kurdish militia, the YPG. But other than that,
they're still in Manbij, but everybody knows things are changing.
And the Kurds know that things are changing, they know in
Damascus, they know in Ankara; as Hussein pointed out, they know
in the Gulf states, and in Riyadh that things are changing.
And now, if you have to talk to the Russians.
See diplomatically, the Russians have the advantage that
they talk to everybody except to the terrorists. They talk to
Damascus, they talk to Ankara, they talk to Riyadh, they talk to
many of the opposition groups; that's how they organized these
meetings over the past year or so, is that they also talked to
the opposition groups. And so, if you intend to have a future,
you know you have to go to Moscow.
So the so-called Syrian Democratic Forces, the Syrian
Democratic Council, which is this American construct, they have
had communications now, in the says since Trump's announcement,
they've had communications with Damascus, and they have sent a
delegation, I think twice, actually, since Dec. 14, to Moscow.
And now the Russian objective is to reestablish -- and I think it
was [Foreign Minister] Lavrov who said this -- is to reestablish
Syrian sovereignty over the whole of eastern Syria, from Manbij,
which is in northern Syria just west of the river, across to the
Iraqi border. And this is now their objective. And because of
Trump's announcement, this is now very attainable.

OGDEN: And this is clearly, ever since the 2016 elections,
this was Trump's emphasis, that we have to work with Russia on
things that are in our common interests, including defeating
terrorism and bringing peace to this region. And Trump was very
clear in that election, that if Hillary Clinton's policy of a
no-fly zone and shooting down Russia jets were to take place in
Syria, that would lead to World War III. And that's probably one
of the biggest factors that won him the election in the United
States, because the American people knew, we were on the path to
World War III under this policy.
But this was what precipitated, obviously, the entire
Russiagate attack against Trump, to try to drive a wedge against
this potential cooperation. But I think as Trump's cooperation
with Xi Jinping in China, was the key to unlocking the North
Korea situation, it's very similar, that the willingness of Trump
to reach out and cooperate with Russia on this situation in
Syria, has been the key to unlocking the potential for peace in
this region. I don't know if this kind of potential is that is
exactly what is precipitating the freakout among the military
perpetual war establishment.

OSGOOD: Yeah. I mean, it's still a dangerous situation.
Because, you still have potential -- the Turks also have a proxy
army in northern Syria, variously called the Free Syrian Army, or
the National Liberation Front, and these guys are still opposed
to the Assad government in Damascus, and you get this nasty
propaganda coming out in the Turkish press attacking Assad and
the Syrian government. So there's still a potential for danger
there. But at the same time, the Russians are going to exert
every effort they can to prevent that from turning into a real

OGDEN: I think the key to this entire situation, as has
always been emphasized by the LaRouche organization, is we have
to have a Treaty of Westphalia type of attitude. You can no
longer perpetuate conflict, after conflict, after conflict for
generation upon generation, like we saw in the Thirty Years' War.
But you need a Treaty of Westphalia, which was based on
sovereignty, and also based on the "benefit of the other,"
cooperation for the mutual benefit of all the parties that are
involved. And the key to that is economic development.
So, the reason why we've emphasized, for decades, this idea
of a Treaty of Westphalia approach, is because economic
development is what is desperately needed in this region and now
that we have this dynamic sweeping Eurasia, from China with the
New Silk Road, the One Belt, One Road policy, you have the
actual, on the ground potential for this kind of peace through
development program.
So I want to play a short excerpt from a video that was
produced by LaRouche PAC in June 2016, and this was called
"Project Phoenix: Aleppo, the Eternal City"
It discusses what is the next step that has to be taken after we
bring peace to this region, after the liberation of Syria. What
has to be done, immediately, on the ground, to bring economic
development to this area, from the standpoint of this idea of the
New Silk Road or the World Land-Bridge, extending into Southwest
Asia, North Africa and the entire region.
So let me play a short excerpt from this video.

NARRATOR: The Schiller Institute and Executive intelligence
Review had anticipated these developments by producing the
special report "The New Silk Road Becomes the World Land-Bridge"
in November 2014, which was translated into Chinese in September
2015, and recently into Arabic, the language spoken in most
countries in the region. This report presents a realistic and
urgently needed vision of history's greatest peace and
development project, connecting continents and nations through
trade and development corridors.
The extension of the New Silk Road is key to the
stabilization and development of the region. Syria can become a
natural element of this extension, both benefitting from it and
contributing to its further development.
Project Phoenix consists of two major sections. 1) how to
finance reconstruction and 2) how Syria can benefit from
connecting to the New Silk Road.
Syria's national transport system must be upgraded,
incorporating high-speed rail; and the transportation routes will
have to adapt to transcontinental routes from the Mediterranean
Sea, the Indian Ocean, the Red Sea, the Caspian Sea, and the
Black Sea. This was the vision of President Bashar al-Assad in
his Five Seas Strategy, which he pronounced in 2009 before the
war broke out.
The New Silk Road strategy involves not transportation
alone, but two international development corridors; one
east-west, and the other north-south, which will bring long-term
vitality and growth to the ancient crossroads of Syria. Besides
railways, these development corridors include pipelines, water
projects, industrial zones, advanced agriculture, and new cities.
The highest levels of technology such as nuclear power for water
desalination and atmospheric ionization for enhancing increased
rainfall, open a great opportunity to green the deserts, diminish
the effects of sandstorms, and reclaim vast desert territories
for agriculture and settlement in cooperation with neighboring
nations for the maximum development and use of resources.
Syria enjoys an ideal position at the crossroads of three
continents: Asia, Europe, and Africa. It is also positioned
along the trade routes between numerous major bodies of water.
Thus, it can connect to both the Eurasian-African Land-Bridge and
economic belt of the New Silk Road as well as the Maritime Silk
Road. One of the main routes of the New Silk Road extends from
China through Central Asia and Iran, and on into Turkey and
continental Europe. But plans include an Iranian extension to
Iraq; and further, along both the Tigris and Euphrates Rivers
into Syria. The Euphrates River branch can also be connected to
the Maritime Silk Road through ports on the Persian Gulf,
including the port of Basra in southern Iraq and northwest
towards Deir-ez-Zur, Raqqa, and the ancient trading city of
Aleppo. Currently, there is a railway along the Euphrates in
Iraq, and in Syria a railway extends southeast from Aleppo as far
as Deir-ez-Zur on the Euphrates, 150 km from Al-Bukamal on the
Iraqi border. This is one the main connections to the New Silk
Road east-west mainline through Baghdad and Tehran to Central
Asia and China.
The Old Silk Road along the Euphrates River from Basra on
the Persian Gulf will reach into Syria and a railway connection
into Europe through Turkey. This route will be able to
revitalize the devastated industrial zones of Raqa and Aleppo.
Such a Euphrates railway, built in cooperation with Iraq, will be
a big step toward regional integration and a development corridor
extending from the Persian Gulf, the Arabian Sea, and the Indian
Ocean to the eastern Mediterranean and southern Europe. Having a
rail connection to Tehran will also provide Syria access to the
Caspian Sea region as the next step in the Five Seas Strategy.
Transportation through the so-called north-south corridor from
St. Petersburg, Russia to the Iranian port of Bandar-Abbas near
the mouth of the Persian Gulf, and also to Chabahar port on the
Arabian Sea coast, will traverse the Caspian Sea by ship as well
as via railways on both the eastern and western shores of the
Caspian. These will all become connections for Syria. All of
these trade routes will, like the old Silk Road, be projected
into Syria towards Aleppo. From that city, the
southeast/northwest Euphrates development corridor will turn to
the southwest into the devastated Idlib region and onward to the
port of Latakia on the Mediterranean Sea, which will have to be
Another step to open up the old east-west Silk Road routes
will be to build a 200-km railway from Deir-ez-Zur southwest to
Palmyra, the legendary Silk Road city where Silk Road festivals
were held each year before the war. This missing link will allow
railway service from Tehran and Baghdad through these Syrian
cities and onward in the same direction to Damascus and Beirut.
A more direct land transport corridor can link Syria to the
dynamically developing economy of Egypt, through rebuilding the
historical north-south transportation route in western Syria,
also known as the Hejaz railway from Turkey which runs south from
Aleppo to Damascus, continuing on to Amman, Jordan. Syria's
relationship with Egypt's planned giant industrial zones along
the New Suez Canal will be boosted by the railway link from Cairo
to the Gulf of Aqaba across the northern part of the Sinai
Peninsula and on to Amman. Moreover, Egypt and Saudi Arabia
agreed in April 2016 to build a land-bridge across the Tiran
Strait to the southern part of the Sinai Peninsula and northward
across the Suez Canal zone to Cairo. Syria and the eastern
Mediterranean and Asia will be connected to Africa through this
trans-continental land-bridge across the Red Sea.
Lyndon LaRouche's Oasis Plan for the Middle East, first
publicized in {EIR} during the 1970s, and revived in 1990 as the
first Gulf War loomed, envisaged a north-south development
corridor from Turkey to Egypt and Africa; running through
Damascus, Syria's Golan Heights, into Israel and the Palestinian
territories in the West Bank and Gaza; then to Sinai and Egypt.
This was the right basis for a durable peace process.
The Black Sea region will be connected to Syria through
Istanbul and another Turkish port -- Samsun -- on the southern
Black Sea coast. Istanbul is also the destination for the new
Viking rail line from the Lithuanian port of Klaipeda on the
Baltic Sea, which will be a trade route from the Baltic Sea
region and Sweden southward to Syria. Russia and the Caucuses
will also come closer to Syria and Southwest Asia in this way.

OGDEN: So, this video was produced in June of 2016, over
two years ago; but clearly a very timely video. We will make the
link to the entire video available in the description
But Ulf, I wanted to invite you to come in at this point. I
know that you have made several trips yourself to Syria, and had
very important discussions around this idea of the Project
Phoenix reconstruction program. Can you tell us a little bit
about what you've done there and what you see the prospects are
now that the geometry is changing?

ULF SANDMARK: Well, I was there four times during this war,
and it was very interesting to see that Syria is in a full
mobilization to rebuild all the time. Actually, not all parts of
Syria were destroyed, and those areas that were attacked partly,
they will rebuild immediately. You could see in Damascus where a
road was attacked, the day after you couldn't see the destruction
of the pavement; because it had been repaired already. What we
can see now is that Syria is rebuilding very rapidly. Every
house you can see that could be repaired, is under repair. The
roads are excellent; the main roads are paved much better than
here. They are new asphalt all the way on the main roads from
Damascus all the way to Palmyra, to Homs, and to the south. So,
what we have is a very fast reconstruction. What we see, it is
the military way of reconstructing the nation. If you want to
understand this, you should look at the Syrian Army; it's a very
competent army, and they are going from theatre to theatre in the
nation to sort out problems and reconquer areas. This is the way
they are doing now with the reconstruction; they are doing it in
a military fashion and in a mission orientation to rebuild the
country. I saw an interview yesterday with the Grand Mufti
[Ahmad Badreddin] Hassoun, and he said the country will be
rebuilt in two years. This is not impossible, because what you
see now is a very rapid reconstruction. What they have to
reconstruct are the bombed-out areas which were controlled by the
terrorists; so these are limited areas.
Also, if you look to the industry, it's fully mobilized; it
had been mobilized during the war. They have been working
overtime to keep the nation functioning, and it's a similar kind
of spirit now in the nation to reconstruct. With this kind of
spirit, treating the reconstruction like fighting a war, they are
in a better position than most other countries who are going into
development or want to build their nations. So, we have a
situation there which is very promising, and people are very
hopeful and very happy now when the terrorists from the most
areas where the population is, except for this Idlib region where
the terrorists are still. That's a huge terrorist army there,
which is not easy to cope with, and what we see here is the
machinations with the help of the Russians to talk to the Turks
and to talk to the Americans and to Israel and to Syria to try to
find a way out of this war without too much bloodshed in this
area; because it would cost a lot to try to fight it out.
What we also see is the cooperation with other nations.
Syria refuses to cooperate with those nations who were their
enemies in the war. They want to cooperate primarily with those
nations who supported them. So what they are now doing is very
big economic treaties with Russia, with Iran, and with China.
China is very important; it's coming in now with projects, but
especially with supplies -- 80% of the imports [to Syria] are
from China. If you look to Syria, it's pretty landlocked, except
for the sea -- the neighboring countries were locked for them.
So they had to bring in all the supplies over the sea, and
through the development inside the country. So the nation's
productive system was actually the main supply for the nation.
When I went there to this famous trade fair they have every
year now, they proudly presented the pipeline industry having
rebuilt all the pipelines only with domestic machines and
supplies. This is also the cement factories, the fertilizer
factories, all these kinds of heavy industry is functioning, and
this is the secret of Syria which no one knows. Because you
always saw the pictures of bombed-out areas, so you can't imagine
that this country would come back; and actually it is a
functioning, productive system. So, that's what I want to say.

OGDEN: Thank you.

OSGOOD: I would contrast that with what's going on in the
areas where the U.S. military is. There have been numerous
reports that Raqqa is still rubble, two years or a year and a
half after it was liberated from ISIS. There's just nothing
going on there, so that means that most of the population that
was there before the U.S. bombing campaign is still displaced,
and there is no serious activity to get them back into the city.

ASKARY: You have in the case of Iraq, since the
U.S.-British invasion in 2003, where all the water-pumping
stations, electricity power plants still today -- 15 years later
-- Iraq has still not returned to the level of the 1980s supply
of electricity. You have black-outs the whole day in most parts
of Iraq. So, that shows you the contrast between the old
paradigm and the New Paradigm; where things can be built and
repaired quicker if you have sovereign nations. I just wanted to
say that with the New Paradigm, the idea of reconstruction and
what the Chinese are calling the "win-win" New Silk Road policy,
is that you have nations which are apparently on opposite sides
which actually have the same goals. One of the biggest contrasts
is the case of Iran, where still the United States is considering
Iran as a hostile nation. The truth is that Iran's contribution
in Syria to defeat the terrorist groups was key before Russia
came in. Iran continued to support Syria in the fight against
terrorism together with Russia, and also at exactly the same time
that the United States was involved. Iran played a key role in
stopping ISIS from taking over all of Iraq by direct military
intervention and supplying the Iraqi armies and militias. They
were working hand-in-hand with the United States actually, in the
final period of the defeat of ISIS. But the economic cooperation
aspect of things will make sure that nations are working together
for the same goal. All these apparent differences -- different
political systems and so on -- as long as they function as
sovereign nations, as long as they respect other nations'
sovereignty, then they can work together. That goes even for the
United States and Iran. I think there should be new
negotiations, or a return to the previous agreements with Iran
[including the U.S.], because that is becoming a big block. You
look at the situation with Pakistan and India, with the Chinese
cooperation with Pakistan on the China-Pakistan Economic Corridor
(CPEC). Now that China, Pakistan, Russia, Iran, and India are
all involved in trying to find ways to resolve the situation in
Afghanistan, which is the right context for solving the
Afghanistan crisis; it's not using NATO or the United States.
The right context for Afghanistan is its natural environment,
which is the Shanghai Cooperation Organization, which involves
all these countries I mentioned. But the United States can
support that process by not blocking it; by getting the British
out of there. Therefore, this idea of economic cooperation will
be the perfect context for nations working together, but that
also involves removing all kinds of economic sanctions, trying to
undermine other nations from development. This is what is now
emerging as the New Paradigm.

OGDEN: Yes, geographically I think that's an important
point. If Americans got out their atlases and studied the
geography of this entire region, you would recognize that all of
these countries which have been these theatres of perpetual war
and regime-change are crucial crossroads of the New Silk Road;
and this geopolitics which we've referred to, this is the British
Great Game. This entire region, the idea was always to keep it
as a theatre of perpetual war, where it was always destabilized,
and you could not have these kinds of crucial connections. But
that's why the New Paradigm of this New Silk Road coming through
all of these areas -- Afghanistan, Iraq, Iran, Syria, -- and I
think we're going to talk about Yemen is a very important one.
These crossroads of civilizations are what bring together Europe,
Asia, North Africa; and you have this emergence of not just the
New Silk Road, but this World Land-Bridge, as we've discussed it.
Let me bring in the element of Yemen here, Hussein. And we
can discuss a little bit, because obviously it's not just Syria
which is in the midst of reconstruction right now; but Yemen has
been the theatre of a horrific humanitarian crisis; genocidal
levels of famine and starvation. We have very important things
that are happening as we speak in Yemen, trying to campaign to
bring the BRICS countries in and to try to bring the New Silk
Road in to resolve this absolutely horrific humanitarian crisis.

ASKARY: Well, I think 2018 was a very important year for
Yemen, because in 2018 the major powers realized that this war is
unwinnable. You cannot win against a people defending their
territory; it will never happen. I said that in March of 2015
when the war broke out, when the Saudi coalition started
attacking Yemen. I said, "Nobody's going to win this war. You
cannot defeat the Yemenis who are defending their country." It
has never happened in history; it's the same thing with
Afghanistan. Nobody has been able to defeat the Afghanis. You
can starve them, you can bomb them, but you can never subdue
them. So, in 2018 this became a realization by many people, and
finally Yemen -- also because of the humanitarian crisis came on
the agenda; other people had different agendas in the media who
were attacking President Trump for supporting Saudi Arabia,
selling weapons to Saudi Arabia. That made it even more visible,
and the Congress finally intervened to vote for stopping the aid
to Saudi Arabia, military sales to Saudi Arabia, and
participation in the war. Because the United States, like
Britain, not only provided weapons, but they were also providing
intelligence targetting goals and so on. Especially after the
massive attack on Hodeidah, with the Saudi and Iraqi forces and
the mercenaries last year, which failed, that made it very clear
that this war is unwinnable, and the Saudis and the Americans
have to be stopped.
But during all these years of the war, which shows you the
fantastic character of the Yemenis, we're talking about these
cradles of civilization along the Silk Road, Yemen is an ancient
civilization, and this is one reason they have managed to keep
fighting; because they do have a very strong identity which has
its roots in history. They were also historically part of the
Maritime Silk Road; it's called the Incense and Gum Road in
Yemen, because Yemen was a very important key nation in trade
going back to 1000 B.C. and throughout history. So, the
interesting this is that during the war, we had a group of people
who are friends of the Schiller Institute, like our friend Fouad
al-Ghaffari, who managed to organize a group called the
Coordination Group with the BRICS [Brazil, Russia, India, China,
South Africa]. Because they realized that for Yemen to be saved
from this war, they have to figure out a way of joining the New
Paradigm represented by the BRICS nations, but also the New Silk
Road strategy. So, they started organizing together with us, and
we had many seminars, meetings, educational processes -- even in
schools, we were holding many kinds of educational class series.
Then finally last year, on June 6th, the Yemeni Investment
Authority endorsed the Yemen reconstruction and connection to the
Silk Road project which I myself was the author of, but it was
done in collaboration with the Schiller Institute and the Yemeni
Investment Authority and our friends in Yemen, to redefine
Yemen's role as a key component of the New Silk Road. If you see
in the map of the World Land-Bridge, Yemen is situated at the
intersection of both the Maritime Silk Road and the Land-Bridge,
the economic belt of the Silk Road. So Yemen can actually become
a key hub for east-west, north-south cooperation; and on that
basis, and also on the basis of LaRouche's scientific ideas --
especially the idea of the development corridor -- we drew a new
reconstruction map for Yemen to connect all parts of Yemen with
infrastructure corridor. The main urban centers, the main
resources centers, the main ports, and industrial and
agricultural centers. This is the perfect way of uniting the
Yemeni people, because this war also tried to split the Yemeni
nation along sectarian and tribal lines. But this is recognized
by many Yemenis now in very important institutions, that this is
the solution for Yemen.
The Yemenis are also, and we are helping in that, to bring
China into the picture in Yemen, because China has been a bit
away from the picture. And the fact that Yemen is located on one
of the most important maritime trade routes is very important for
China. Therefore, China is increasingly becoming interested in
the prospects of bringing peace to Yemen, but also participating
in the reconstruction of Yemen. During the Oslo consultations
between the Yemeni groups -- the Saudi-supported and the Yemenis
from Sana'a, the so-called Houthis -- the Chinese ambassador to
Yemen, who is resident in Saudi Arabia, came all the way to
Stockholm to meet with the Houthi representatives. He expressed
once again China's readiness to help in rebuilding Yemen, but
also connecting Yemen to the Belt and Road; which is very
important. Our role as the Schiller Institute, the role of our
friends in Yemen is a key part of this; because the idea of the
New Silk Road and that Yemen should be rebuilt on the same
principles which in Yemen are called LaRouche's Five Keys of
Physical Economy. This is something which people are also trying
to bring into schools, to learn LaRouche's economics. This is
the way Yemen could get out of both this war, but also into the
future; because this situation in Yemen before the war, as we
wrote in our report for reconstruction, went through the whole 30
years before the war, where Yemen's economy was destroyed with
the IMF/World Bank, neo-liberal economic policies. It was as bad
as war itself. We have to educate people that after the war,
Yemen cannot go back to where it was -- the poorest country in
the region. But they should use LaRouche's physical economic
scientific methods and what is called the Hamiltonian credit
system to finance its own reconstruction. Of course, they would
need help from everybody; especially the major powers and China.
But they can also stand on their own feet by learning the secrets
of physical economics. So, this is a fantastic thing that in the
middle of the worst criminal war waged against Yemen, in the
midst of the worst humanitarian crisis, you had intellectuals
inside Yemen studying how to scientifically and in a humanist way
rebuild their country and connect it to the rest of the world.
This is a testimony to the great culture the Yemenis represent.
That's really fantastic, and shows us the way where things could
go. Not only in Yemen, but every part of the world where we have
geopolitics and power games have wreaked havoc in many parts of
the world. I think the Yemenis can show us the way to get out of
that and into the future.

SANDMARK: Actually, I would like to add to this. The
situation of their own culture in Yemen is what has mobilized
them to be resisting in this way. It's a 4000-year old culture.
This means they are very civilized; they have a mentality of the
highest civilization and then they are actually natural allies
for the U.S. and for the whole world against terrorism. The
terrorists and the barbarism that they represent is something
that they are fighting from their genes, from 4000 years of
civilization. This means that this government in Sana'a is now
representing the different institutions of Yemen, both the old
ministries and the whole administration and also they represent
the whole culture. This is actually the same way with Syria; the
reason they have been able to resist in this way is because of
the high culture. It's also a 4,000-year old culture that has
had 60 invasions. They know that the barbarians come and go, and
they have to stand beyond and above that. That's why they are
also the real allies for the U.S. to fight terrorists. Actually,
they are the allies against the different kind of
British-oriented military who are working with these terrorists.
That's the kind of faction fight going on all over the world,
with these factions that are for the dirty wars. Trump is
fighting this out inside against the Russia-gate, Deep State
operation and also in Syria against the dirty operations there,
by the same kind of Deep State factions.
What Syria is doing with their culture is, they're
reconnecting now to China. China is recognizing that their old
culture is parallel or had connections to Syria from also several
thousand years back. They have a natural alliance here of the
highest civilization that we can join into.

OGDEN: I think that illustrates perfectly the point Helga
LaRouche has made repeatedly. In order to create this kind of
New Paradigm, you have to find the best elements of each culture.
Every nation, every civilization has to bring its best elements
from its past, put that on the table; and combining these
together, you have the pathway towards a really beautiful period
of renaissance for all of civilization. This point that you're
making Ulf, and also Hussein, about Yemen being illustrative of
what is possible under this new dynamic; I think that's really
what has to sink in. That this is not business as usual; we are
not any longer just operating under the kind of geopolitics of
one faction against another, sectarian warfare and these kinds of
things. You really have the potential to unlock an entirely new
relationship between all of the peoples of this region; a
wonderfully rich culture in every aspect in terms of every group,
every national identity there. And bringing this in via this
connection with the New Silk Road. So, I think that is the idea
of the new Treaty of Westphalia; the idea of a new renaissance
for these civilizations. We have to see what has now
materialized with these two interacting dynamics: What is coming
out of China with the New Silk Road, or the One Belt, One Road
Initiative; and then the fact that you have this real radical
shift in U.S. policy because of what President Trump has done to
reject the perpetual war dogma of the neo-cons here. This is a
time of rich potential, and it's a time that leadership, ideas,
even from a relatively small number of people like you see
represented here; ideas at this moment have great effect. And we have a wonderful opportunity and responsibility to bring these ideas to bear.
So, what I want to thank everybody for joining me here today. Thank you to Carl for joining me in the studio.

OSGOOD: Thank you for inviting me.

OGDEN: Thank you to both Ulf and Hussein for joining us via video from Sweden. We look forward to a lot more on this.
Hopefully we can revisit this situation in a few weeks or months from now and bring this panel back together and talk about what has happened and what still needs to happen. But I think this is a perfect way to start the year 2019.
Happy New Year to all of you, and thank you very much. Please stay tuned to larouchepac.com.